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t0nym3atballs's review against another edition
adventurous
challenging
dark
mysterious
reflective
slow-paced
4.0
stevequinn's review against another edition
3.0
Weird, even for PKD. But even subpar Dick is better than a lot of other things out there.
mcbraxt's review against another edition
challenging
dark
tense
fast-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
3.0
megapolisomancy's review against another edition
4.0
I think I would give this one 4.5 stars if I could. It's a great vision of a post-apocalyptic future with mutants (the encounters with which are set forth in a very fairy-tale-esque manner) and a man-god who set off the bomb and what have you, but it was kind of disjointed (clearly the result of a collaboration) and could have used some more thorough editing. I swear at one point they said the bomb was 16 years ago and at another that it was 90+... neither of which would really fit with the story. ha.
arthurbdd's review against another edition
2.0
Largely an exercise in Dick lazily rehashing a bunch of his old short stories and Zelazny tacking on an ending. Full review: https://fakegeekboy.wordpress.com/2016/11/18/drugs-hallucinations-and-the-quest-for-dick/
larsinio's review against another edition
4.0
Deus Irae is the second PKD book i read featuring a main character with no arms and no legs. This is probably the least strange aspect of this novel. This book combines Dr. Bloodmoney with the religious stuff of the valis trilogy, but sharpened into a more cohesive novel. A very christian novel i might say.
A bit like a canticle for leibowitz but with some hallucinogenic experiences, talking bugs, talking worms, talking factories but with more religion. I never fault i needed some religious background to read canticle, with Deus Irae i did in parts.. But that heavy religious stuff is counterbalanced with a lot of humor and fantastic situations. Its a really fun read, most of the time.
I usually cringe at the thought of dual authors, but this book mostly works out well. Dick is prevented from going to overboard on his religious theories.
I liked how the ending wrapped up all the bits, but i wasnt a huge fan of super super strong christian tones - this is basically CS Lewis meets trippedout canticle for leibowitz. But again, it works very well. The book's plot was structured very well, particularly for its scope.
A bit like a canticle for leibowitz but with some hallucinogenic experiences, talking bugs, talking worms, talking factories but with more religion. I never fault i needed some religious background to read canticle, with Deus Irae i did in parts.. But that heavy religious stuff is counterbalanced with a lot of humor and fantastic situations. Its a really fun read, most of the time.
I usually cringe at the thought of dual authors, but this book mostly works out well. Dick is prevented from going to overboard on his religious theories.
I liked how the ending wrapped up all the bits, but i wasnt a huge fan of super super strong christian tones - this is basically CS Lewis meets trippedout canticle for leibowitz. But again, it works very well. The book's plot was structured very well, particularly for its scope.
neilstcyr's review against another edition
4.0
First off, I probably should have read this book quicker. I spent a little over two months on it and for the most part only read a little at a time. But the book takes a little more imagination than a lot of other books and requires a more sustained approach to it. Otherwise, it's easy to lose track of what's going on. If I had read it quicker, in a day or a week, which is entirely doable, the whole story would have felt more cohesive. And it is cohesive. There are not many extraneous elements at all. It's a fairly streamlined and straightforward book.
The subject matter of the book is what really drew me to it to begin with. Specifically, the last line in the description drew me in: "This hallucinatory tale through a nuclear wasteland asks what price the artist must pay for art and tries to figure out just what makes a god." As I read it, the major competing ideas were on the duality of an omnipotent god. The story used the backdrop of the nuclear wasteland to flesh out these ideas. There seemed to be more talk about gods than about art, though that piece was there too.
The book centers around two opposing factions: the Servants of Wrath and the Christians. This does, however, take place in a man-made nuclear wasteland. Therefore, the Christians in the book should perhaps not be taken as contemporary Christians but instead a possible derivative given the fictional events that happened before the novel takes place. This derivative of Christianity focuses primarily on the idea that God is good. The Servants of Wrath worship Carlton Lufteufel the Deus Irae (God of Wrath), the man who pushed the button to drop the gob (great objectless bomb) to create the nuclear wasteland that everyone currently lives in.
There is a push and pull within each and between both religions. The Christians have to work through how a good God can allow such devastation and evil to occur. The SOWs have to make a man, an evil man, into a god. And beyond that, he's a god of chaos and destruction. The tension between the two religions, besides the obvious just competing religions aspect, is that the SOWs have commissioned a murch (mural for the church) that is likely to draw more converts from the already struggling Christians.
Ultimately, it's hard to say what the story concludes about what makes a god. At one point, one of the characters mentions that sometimes good begets evil and sometime evil begets good and so a good God must do evil things such that good can occur. It could be said that the gob was a big reset button on humanity: an evil act that allows for a cleansing to occur. This would be similar to the flood story and Noah's Ark. There's another issue with this though. What are we to make of Carlton Lufteufel? He's clearly an evil man, but perhaps a man to be celebrated if the act is indeed cleansing. But it turns out that no one really knows that much about the Deus Irae. Is he an evil and chaotic god that deliberately throws the world into death and destruction or is he just a man who made a decision in unknown circumstances without a full understanding of the consequences?
Perhaps the book is really trying to get at what humanity gets out of religion. It's easier to create an uncontrollable and chaotic god that causes your problems than it is to take responsibility for the actions of your species. The decision to drop the gob on the world wasn't one man's radical thought without any context. This bomb was dropped as part of World War III. It's that humanity is constantly warring with itself that led to its demise. Carlton Lufteufel is just the man to pull the trigger. But would it matter who it is to pull the trigger if anyone else in the same position would also pull the trigger? So maybe the SOWs are just deifying a man to explain the inconceivable notion that humans destroyed themselves.
The Christians and their good God come at the same issue with a different approach. They also shift the blame away from humanity, after all, God is omnipotent and has a plan (this gets into a whole other side thing about free will that isn't in the book and I won't discuss except that the best conclusion I've heard is that God granted us humans free will, but ultimately we always choose what God wants anyway and so we're still aligned together). The Christians, unlike the SOWs, know that God is good and has a plan, so they have faith and, perhaps more importantly, hope that a better future is coming and that the evil that existed was a minor evil leveraging a major good.
The end of the book was a little frustrating for me. It left things more inconclusive than I would have preferred. The implication that I interpreted makes a mockery out of religion though empowers art by doing so. But then, on the other side, seems to support religion too in a different way. Maybe the story is just trying to get at the idea that life is a balance and, if you wait long enough, good will come along to balance out the bad and it doesn't matter what you believe as long as it helps you cope with the bad and enjoy and be grateful for the good. And also that art is awesome!
The subject matter of the book is what really drew me to it to begin with. Specifically, the last line in the description drew me in: "This hallucinatory tale through a nuclear wasteland asks what price the artist must pay for art and tries to figure out just what makes a god." As I read it, the major competing ideas were on the duality of an omnipotent god. The story used the backdrop of the nuclear wasteland to flesh out these ideas. There seemed to be more talk about gods than about art, though that piece was there too.
The book centers around two opposing factions: the Servants of Wrath and the Christians. This does, however, take place in a man-made nuclear wasteland. Therefore, the Christians in the book should perhaps not be taken as contemporary Christians but instead a possible derivative given the fictional events that happened before the novel takes place. This derivative of Christianity focuses primarily on the idea that God is good. The Servants of Wrath worship Carlton Lufteufel the Deus Irae (God of Wrath), the man who pushed the button to drop the gob (great objectless bomb) to create the nuclear wasteland that everyone currently lives in.
There is a push and pull within each and between both religions. The Christians have to work through how a good God can allow such devastation and evil to occur. The SOWs have to make a man, an evil man, into a god. And beyond that, he's a god of chaos and destruction. The tension between the two religions, besides the obvious just competing religions aspect, is that the SOWs have commissioned a murch (mural for the church) that is likely to draw more converts from the already struggling Christians.
Ultimately, it's hard to say what the story concludes about what makes a god. At one point, one of the characters mentions that sometimes good begets evil and sometime evil begets good and so a good God must do evil things such that good can occur. It could be said that the gob was a big reset button on humanity: an evil act that allows for a cleansing to occur. This would be similar to the flood story and Noah's Ark. There's another issue with this though. What are we to make of Carlton Lufteufel? He's clearly an evil man, but perhaps a man to be celebrated if the act is indeed cleansing. But it turns out that no one really knows that much about the Deus Irae. Is he an evil and chaotic god that deliberately throws the world into death and destruction or is he just a man who made a decision in unknown circumstances without a full understanding of the consequences?
Perhaps the book is really trying to get at what humanity gets out of religion. It's easier to create an uncontrollable and chaotic god that causes your problems than it is to take responsibility for the actions of your species. The decision to drop the gob on the world wasn't one man's radical thought without any context. This bomb was dropped as part of World War III. It's that humanity is constantly warring with itself that led to its demise. Carlton Lufteufel is just the man to pull the trigger. But would it matter who it is to pull the trigger if anyone else in the same position would also pull the trigger? So maybe the SOWs are just deifying a man to explain the inconceivable notion that humans destroyed themselves.
The Christians and their good God come at the same issue with a different approach. They also shift the blame away from humanity, after all, God is omnipotent and has a plan (this gets into a whole other side thing about free will that isn't in the book and I won't discuss except that the best conclusion I've heard is that God granted us humans free will, but ultimately we always choose what God wants anyway and so we're still aligned together). The Christians, unlike the SOWs, know that God is good and has a plan, so they have faith and, perhaps more importantly, hope that a better future is coming and that the evil that existed was a minor evil leveraging a major good.
The end of the book was a little frustrating for me. It left things more inconclusive than I would have preferred. The implication that I interpreted makes a mockery out of religion though empowers art by doing so. But then, on the other side, seems to support religion too in a different way. Maybe the story is just trying to get at the idea that life is a balance and, if you wait long enough, good will come along to balance out the bad and it doesn't matter what you believe as long as it helps you cope with the bad and enjoy and be grateful for the good. And also that art is awesome!
boneson's review against another edition
3.0
Deus Irae was a co-operative novel written by both Philip K Dick, and Roger Zelazny, who are both big figures in the sci-fi world, of their time period. Unfortunately I haven't read any Zelazny as of yet, but I've read a few titles by Dick, so I could definitely see where his influences were in the novel.
The book centers around a post-apocalyptic America, and a journey to find the god of wrath, by Tibor McMasters, an inc (incomplete), born without legs or arms. Fortunately for him, he has a cart to move around, with metal extensor hands, as well as a cow to drag it. His pilgrimage is equal parts philosophical thoughts about the nature of religion, and how it works on the human psyche, as well as a sometimes comical misadventure through this bleak landscape. A lot of the way this book was written reminded me keenly of the fallout video game series. There's a feeling of potential violence lurking around much of it, but it's always diffused by humor.
Still, I enjoyed it for what it was, and valued some of the arguments made within. Dick is always able to bring out interesting arguments even from the most unusual of plots. It wasn't all that long or demanding, and I would definitely recommend it to anyone who likes Dick, or Zelazny. At the same time, don't expect it to blow your mind. It was a solid adventure, and very much enjoyable.
The book centers around a post-apocalyptic America, and a journey to find the god of wrath, by Tibor McMasters, an inc (incomplete), born without legs or arms. Fortunately for him, he has a cart to move around, with metal extensor hands, as well as a cow to drag it. His pilgrimage is equal parts philosophical thoughts about the nature of religion, and how it works on the human psyche, as well as a sometimes comical misadventure through this bleak landscape. A lot of the way this book was written reminded me keenly of the fallout video game series. There's a feeling of potential violence lurking around much of it, but it's always diffused by humor.
Still, I enjoyed it for what it was, and valued some of the arguments made within. Dick is always able to bring out interesting arguments even from the most unusual of plots. It wasn't all that long or demanding, and I would definitely recommend it to anyone who likes Dick, or Zelazny. At the same time, don't expect it to blow your mind. It was a solid adventure, and very much enjoyable.
albcorp's review against another edition
3.0
Preferable to Dr Bloodmoney, while sharing its setting, but more similar in theme to later PKD like The Transmigration of Timothy Archer