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flaweddimension's review against another edition
adventurous
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? Plot
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
2.0
Six barely-linked novellas in an alternate history of questionable believability. Apart from the loving detail of certain technologies, nothing felt very entertaining.
Graphic: Torture
avid_d's review against another edition
dark
reflective
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
3.25
wormytoby's review against another edition
adventurous
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
5.0
simondxn7's review against another edition
adventurous
medium-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? N/A
- Strong character development? No
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? N/A
- Flaws of characters a main focus? N/A
5.0
rpbperry's review against another edition
inspiring
mysterious
reflective
slow-paced
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
4.5
ianbanks's review against another edition
5.0
Probably the finest alternative history ever written: Queen Elizabeth is assassinated in 1588, allowing the Pope back into England and changing the history of the future. But we really only see history being made on the periphery of this novel. It very rarely creeps to the foreground except for the astonishing final chapter of this story. It also breaks the mound of mosaic/ fix-up novels by being really good all the way through. It's literary, poetic, jam-packed with great ideas and a true classic.
wrongwayhome's review against another edition
5.0
Manas attiecības ar alternatīvo vēsturi parasti ir diezgan pavēsas, sevišķi ar tādu, kurā cilvēce nekur tālu nav tikusi (hmm, derētu pameklēt kādu alt.vēstures darbu, kura būtu pozitīvi tendēta).
Savā darbā "Pavana" Robertss 20.gs pasauli tās tehniskajā attīstībā joprojām tur ieslēgtu viduslaiku līmenī, Eiropā valda katolicisms un tālāk par tvaika dzinējiem neesam tikuši. Sakaru pa vadiem un elektrības nav (ne gluži tiesa - kas un kā, to es nespoilošu). Viss kā radīts, lai man neliktos interesanti.
Patiesībā šī ir labākā grāmata žanrā, ko līdz šim esmu lasījis.
Iespējams, ka "Pavana" mani spēja paņemt ar to, ka tas nav klasiski lineārs darbs, kurā varonis sāk un beidz savas gaitas. Neesmu ne mūziķis, ne dejotājs, man par pavanas (tā sauc deju) uzbūvi nav nekādas saprašanas, tāpēc nevaru spriest par grāmatas uzbūves līdzību ar deju. Šī dimensija man paliek apslēpta.
Bet es gribēju runāt par stāstījuma kontinuitāti. Grāmata sastāv no vairākām it kā savā starpā nesaistītām nodaļām, kuru darbība izkaisīta vairāku gadu desmitu garumā un katras nodaļas (jeb tūres, kas laikam ir dejas termins) galvenās personas ir vairāk vai mazāk saistītas. Samērā īsa grāmata, bet rakstot šādi, ir iznācis ļoti episks efekts, škiet, ka esi izlasījis biezu ģimenes sāgu.
Skaisti uzrakstīts stāsts par cilvēces vēlmi pēc brīvības, taisnības, progresa un citām labajām lietām, kuras grāmatā liedza katoļu baznīcas un inkvizīcijas vara.
Savā darbā "Pavana" Robertss 20.gs pasauli tās tehniskajā attīstībā joprojām tur ieslēgtu viduslaiku līmenī, Eiropā valda katolicisms un tālāk par tvaika dzinējiem neesam tikuši. Sakaru pa vadiem un elektrības nav (ne gluži tiesa - kas un kā, to es nespoilošu). Viss kā radīts, lai man neliktos interesanti.
Patiesībā šī ir labākā grāmata žanrā, ko līdz šim esmu lasījis.
Iespējams, ka "Pavana" mani spēja paņemt ar to, ka tas nav klasiski lineārs darbs, kurā varonis sāk un beidz savas gaitas. Neesmu ne mūziķis, ne dejotājs, man par pavanas (tā sauc deju) uzbūvi nav nekādas saprašanas, tāpēc nevaru spriest par grāmatas uzbūves līdzību ar deju. Šī dimensija man paliek apslēpta.
Bet es gribēju runāt par stāstījuma kontinuitāti. Grāmata sastāv no vairākām it kā savā starpā nesaistītām nodaļām, kuru darbība izkaisīta vairāku gadu desmitu garumā un katras nodaļas (jeb tūres, kas laikam ir dejas termins) galvenās personas ir vairāk vai mazāk saistītas. Samērā īsa grāmata, bet rakstot šādi, ir iznācis ļoti episks efekts, škiet, ka esi izlasījis biezu ģimenes sāgu.
Skaisti uzrakstīts stāsts par cilvēces vēlmi pēc brīvības, taisnības, progresa un citām labajām lietām, kuras grāmatā liedza katoļu baznīcas un inkvizīcijas vara.
moosmoo's review against another edition
2.0
I do not get the hype about this book at all, I really didn’t see the point in it.
It is a book of linked stories about different people living in an alternate history, you’d think it would be amazing however none of the characters or stories linked up in any way that made sense.
I gave it two stars simply because I enjoyed the chapter about Eleanor, otherwise this was a total pan for me
It is a book of linked stories about different people living in an alternate history, you’d think it would be amazing however none of the characters or stories linked up in any way that made sense.
I gave it two stars simply because I enjoyed the chapter about Eleanor, otherwise this was a total pan for me
blackoxford's review against another edition
4.0
The Christendom Chronicles
I don’t think it’s right to comment on Keith Roberts’s Pavane without comparing it to its near contemporary, Kingsley Amis’s The Alteration. Pavane is probably a better written book all round but both books present a remarkably consistent counter-factual view of a 20th century Christendom which might have existed if the Protestant Reformation had never taken place (The Alteration) or was suppressed (Pavane).
Both books are also profoundly pessimistic about European political and economic life under a regime of a united Church and State. In my comments on The Alteration, I suggested that Amis is rather prescient in his presentation of this modern Christendom as the subliminal goal of the European Community (See: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2715997348). Roberts, it appears, may have been equally canny about the political tectonics of the time. Constraints on freedom of expression, trade, technological innovation, and science are themes which he uses as well as Amis.
But it is the general medievalist sentiment and tone in Amis and Roberts that alerted me to something else about these books. They make literary reference not just to European politics of the day, but to an English movement which has its aesthetic as well as its political roots in the early nineteenth century. This movement has operated under a variety of names - The Oxford Movement, Christian Socialism, Distributism, and most recently, Radical Orthodoxy.
While never reaching the cohesive strength of a political party, these cultural strands have had a persistent influence on English intellectual, artistic, and cultural life. The Oxford Movement, for example, set about ‘re-capturing’ the liturgical and ornamental richness of the medieval Catholic Church that had been lost during the Reformation. Nineteenth century Christian Socialism sought to redress the effects of the Industrial Revolution through the re-establishment of medieval forms of social obligation. Distributism, a form of Christian Socialism invented by G.K. Chesterton and Hilaire Belloc, suggested an incredibly radical redistribution of wealth and the establishment of guilds that would have effectively returned the country to a pre-capitalist economic condition.
Caricature of GK Chesterton with a contemporary motto of Distributism

At about the time Roberts and Amis were being published, a new form of this movement was emerging. Its current name is Radical Orthodoxy. This version of the movement is unusual because it is explicitly theological and very post-modernist. The essential historical proposition of Radical Orthodoxy is that certain nefarious medieval philosophers (most notably the Oxford Franciscan, Duns Scotus) threw a conceptual spanner into the works of European thought.
Scotus, so it is claimed, fraudulently undermined the Christian Platonism which had formed the foundation of the Christian Church/State polity for a thousand years. Simultaneously he allowed the distinction between philosophy and theology to infect both patterns of thought and academic organisation. Scotus, therefore, is the arch-demon of cultural relativism as well as the cause of secular governmental institutions which are hollowed out versions of their medieval forebears.
Radical Orthodoxy, like previous manifestations of this very English cultural phenomenon, is academically prominent but prefers to keep its political head below the parapet. It might not be apparent to the mass of the electorate, therefore, that the so-called Red Tories are significantly influenced by Radical Orthodoxy. David Cameron’s Big Society, for example, were a set of policies developed and advanced by the movement’s more political activists.
I suppose the point I want to make with this exposition is that the ‘Christendom Chronicles’ of Roberts and Amis are not only interesting as historical comments on mid-twentieth century European politics. They are also relevant today as a satirical critique of a live and persistent political tendency in Britain. This tendency is conservative but only in the sense that it looks to the (rather ancient) past for inspiration. It is in fact, as the name of its most recent manifestation suggests, rather extreme. Roberts and Amis indicate just how extreme.
I don’t think it’s right to comment on Keith Roberts’s Pavane without comparing it to its near contemporary, Kingsley Amis’s The Alteration. Pavane is probably a better written book all round but both books present a remarkably consistent counter-factual view of a 20th century Christendom which might have existed if the Protestant Reformation had never taken place (The Alteration) or was suppressed (Pavane).
Both books are also profoundly pessimistic about European political and economic life under a regime of a united Church and State. In my comments on The Alteration, I suggested that Amis is rather prescient in his presentation of this modern Christendom as the subliminal goal of the European Community (See: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2715997348). Roberts, it appears, may have been equally canny about the political tectonics of the time. Constraints on freedom of expression, trade, technological innovation, and science are themes which he uses as well as Amis.
But it is the general medievalist sentiment and tone in Amis and Roberts that alerted me to something else about these books. They make literary reference not just to European politics of the day, but to an English movement which has its aesthetic as well as its political roots in the early nineteenth century. This movement has operated under a variety of names - The Oxford Movement, Christian Socialism, Distributism, and most recently, Radical Orthodoxy.
While never reaching the cohesive strength of a political party, these cultural strands have had a persistent influence on English intellectual, artistic, and cultural life. The Oxford Movement, for example, set about ‘re-capturing’ the liturgical and ornamental richness of the medieval Catholic Church that had been lost during the Reformation. Nineteenth century Christian Socialism sought to redress the effects of the Industrial Revolution through the re-establishment of medieval forms of social obligation. Distributism, a form of Christian Socialism invented by G.K. Chesterton and Hilaire Belloc, suggested an incredibly radical redistribution of wealth and the establishment of guilds that would have effectively returned the country to a pre-capitalist economic condition.
Caricature of GK Chesterton with a contemporary motto of Distributism

At about the time Roberts and Amis were being published, a new form of this movement was emerging. Its current name is Radical Orthodoxy. This version of the movement is unusual because it is explicitly theological and very post-modernist. The essential historical proposition of Radical Orthodoxy is that certain nefarious medieval philosophers (most notably the Oxford Franciscan, Duns Scotus) threw a conceptual spanner into the works of European thought.
Scotus, so it is claimed, fraudulently undermined the Christian Platonism which had formed the foundation of the Christian Church/State polity for a thousand years. Simultaneously he allowed the distinction between philosophy and theology to infect both patterns of thought and academic organisation. Scotus, therefore, is the arch-demon of cultural relativism as well as the cause of secular governmental institutions which are hollowed out versions of their medieval forebears.
Radical Orthodoxy, like previous manifestations of this very English cultural phenomenon, is academically prominent but prefers to keep its political head below the parapet. It might not be apparent to the mass of the electorate, therefore, that the so-called Red Tories are significantly influenced by Radical Orthodoxy. David Cameron’s Big Society, for example, were a set of policies developed and advanced by the movement’s more political activists.
I suppose the point I want to make with this exposition is that the ‘Christendom Chronicles’ of Roberts and Amis are not only interesting as historical comments on mid-twentieth century European politics. They are also relevant today as a satirical critique of a live and persistent political tendency in Britain. This tendency is conservative but only in the sense that it looks to the (rather ancient) past for inspiration. It is in fact, as the name of its most recent manifestation suggests, rather extreme. Roberts and Amis indicate just how extreme.
bent's review against another edition
2.0
I felt the book really got bogged down in details. The first story involved someone driving a train and Roberts goes into great detail about the mechanics of the train, the actions the driver needs to take while driving the train, etc. - this kind of detail reappeared throughout the book and really got in the way of the story.
Overall, although there were moments when the stories grabbed me, I felt the characters were kept at a distance. Roberts technique helps to kill whatever dramatic intensity he manages to build. In at least two stories, he begins in a very exciting way and then kills the excitement with lots of dreary background. Disappointing.
Overall, although there were moments when the stories grabbed me, I felt the characters were kept at a distance. Roberts technique helps to kill whatever dramatic intensity he manages to build. In at least two stories, he begins in a very exciting way and then kills the excitement with lots of dreary background. Disappointing.